27 – Post Analysis
Posted by Bug-E on February 28th, 2007
I just got back from the 27dinner at Relish in Cape Town.
Nice venue, expensive food. Big bowls, not a lot of food in said bowls. I had a Thai something Fillet salad for R50 as a starter. Whoa. Too much green stuff in there. Didn’t like it much, but then, I’m not really a salad person. The fillet was nice though.
Main course was pork something, with crackling and delish garlic roast potato mash. Yummers. But that was the food.
The venue was great though. Relish has three levels, the first being their restaurant level, which can apparently seat 80 people almost comfortably. Second level is an enclosed bar, top level is an open lounge area with balcony. At one time I saw a bouncer-looking guy and a rope closing off the balcony area on the top floor. Odd. Must have been a private party. Bastards. It was the only place that actually had fresh air.
Anyway, on to what the 27dinner was all about, what happened, and who did what. Firstly, Guy didn’t pitch. Work related reasons. Tsk. I didn’t see Leon there either. Tsk-tsk! (OK, I just noticed he removed himself from the list…) Others I saw was bje, nbm, Bryn, Alan, other Alan and Ian. I met some interesting people, some of which are Tania, Johan[n], Jonathan, Heidi, Sarah, Carlos (briefly), and about 3 other people from Quirk whose names I forgot as soon as it was mentioned, you know how it goes…
There was some socialising beforehand, outside the door, on the top level, bottom level, middle level, all over the place. We ended up listening to a bunch of people yacking about topical stuff. Except for Graham from Stormhoek. He related the history behind Stormhoek, and why Stormhoek is really part of the blogging community. OK, so maybe that was topical too, but I didn’t catch much of the story I’m afraid. I’m not a big wine drinker. Allthough, the glass of Stormhoek wine I had (I forget the name…) wasn’t half bad. Dry white I think.
There was this lass called Verity (A talented artist I must say) that told is her story, which involves selling CDs for her album… Which she hasn’t recorded yet. Yes, novel idea. Selling a product before it’s made. It’s working. Nice on-the-way-to-success story. She also sang some songs, nice local sound, nice voice. She’s good. And good-looking too…
We also heard about affiliate marketing and how to make money using an affiliate network, from a rather short lady going by the name of Shelly, who was there from a company called Traffic Synergy. Interesting talk on how to monetize your (blog-) content with more than just adsense (which, let’s face it, is what most of us end up sticking onto our blogs to get a couple of extra bucks… I’m yet to make my first $100 from the adsense on my blog. Can you see how popular it is? Heh.). Shelly, however, has one of those voices that one expects from a marketing person. Not a bad voice, but a marketing voice nonetheless. I’m not a big fan of marketing people. The rate amongst estate agents and telecoms monopolies in my books. But Shelly made some really good points, which I will take with me to work, and possibly even on my blog too. Thanks Shelly!
There was a gentleman that chatted about what roll the Mobile internet will play in the internet’s future, sorry dude, I can’t remember your name, I don’t think I caught it. Anyway, he made some good points about where mobile is being positioned, and where it will play an important roll, but then also had comments that included “Yes, it is expensive, but if you ignore the cost” or something along those lines when talking about 3G and HSDPA. No, sorry, you can’t ignore the price, because price is what rates the affordability of a product. It’s useless to you and me if there’s this really awesome, really fast mobile internet solution out there, if it only comes bundled with your R1000+ cellphone contracts, or if you end up paying exorbitant fees like R20/mb of traffic. What’s the frigging point? No, we can’t ignore the cost. He also mentioned that WAP will still be a viable delivery medium for content to endusers for at least another 4-or-so years. This may be true, but that will also be driven by what the phone manufacturers end up putting into their phones. If Windows Mobile 5 takes off in a big way, the phones will have Internet Explorer on, and WAP (and the whole WML thing) will be useless, and you won’t need to have a specific WAP version of your site, ‘cos the phones will be viewing your normal site anyway. And besides, with sufficient CSS-fu, you can make a mobile version of your site run off the exact same URL as your normal site. No need for this stupid .mobi TLD. It was a dumb idea to begin with. Stop it!
Dave Duarte from Cerebra also chatted about stuff, and at 1am, I can’t remember what. He’s quite a character though… Actually, I think he hosted the whole thing. haha.
We also heard from Guy Lundy, who also really talked about things non-topical (topical being what the blogging community wanted to hear, not what the speakers wanted to tell us…), he mentioned an e-mail he sent to 15 people that then pyramid-schemed itself ti “millions of people”, and the books he’s sold etc. Yes, we get it Guy, you like South-Africa. Yay for you. I like it too. Guy’s talk sounded a bit too much sales-pitchy though…
After that the Stormhoek guys auctioned off some t-shirts, some poor sod paid R350 for a white t-shirt with some black writing on. And then it was on to more socialising and paying the bills. Apparently there was a rather big shortage of paying customers at the JHB 27dinner… Shame on you people!
Anyway, it’s almost 1am, and I have work in 5 hours. I hope you enjoyed my summary of how I experienced the 27dinner, and I’d love to experience another one, but not if it’s at an expensive place like this, really. It cost me R200 in total for me-myself-I to have supper and a couple of drinks. And no dessert! Tania said Spur, which brought on a “Yes!” from Jaco, and a *groan* from Neil. Heh.
Anyway, bedtime.
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Tags: 27dinner, Relish, Stormhoek, marketing, Mobile






March 1st, 2007 at 07:59:44
Just as a note, all proceeds that the poor sods paid for the ugly t-shirts went to Verity’s charity. Minute detail you left out.
March 1st, 2007 at 08:15:21
True, I did leave out where the proceeds are going, you’re right. This is the Lucky Packet idea hey? To empower other artists to be able to realise their dreams through this foundation? Worthy cause. So yes, the proceeds of the t-shirts went to a good cause, that has to be said, thanks for correcting.
March 1st, 2007 at 17:43:28
By way of intro, as you missed my name the first time around, its Angus. I’m the ‘gentleman that chatted about what roll the Mobile internet will play’
On the cost thing – our data rates are (for standard packages), between R1.50 and R2 per MB. I know that we all want them to be a lot lower – but at these rates, mobile data is a viable option for many apps. Think MXit et al where fairly small amounts of data are being transmitted.
Using mobile data as a connectivity option is different. It is expensive and it has caps. Both annoying.
Regarding your comment about WAP. What I am saying that it is here, now. So for the next year while the Windows Mobiles of the world trickle into the market – you can make use of the WAP browser that is in millions of phones, today. Why wait when the market is adopting it.
Anyway, you don’t have to wait for Windows Mobile and IE to have a fuller browsing experience. Anyone that has a fairly new phone should download Opera Mini (mini.opera.com). They have and amazing proxy and rendering engine that allows normal browsing from non-smartphones.
On the .mobi – its worth securing your (or your client’s) TLD for $10, regardless if you use it or not.
March 3rd, 2007 at 10:31:21
Hi Angus, thanks for the feedback.
I think you got the short end of the stick on Tuesday by being the last person to speak, people were getting a bit rowdy and were not paying attention. I heard some of what you said though.
If you compare the latest iBurst rates to the current cell data rates, the cell rates are rather out of proportion. Even so, I use my cellphone to check my gmail and use mxit, etc. However, the cell networks are greedy, and they still charge extra for such things as Push-To-Talk, etc. And with MTN specifically forbidding carrying voice of data on their network, running an app like skype on your smartphone ends up being against the rules of your contract. It’s a sad state of affairs where the big corporates so closely hold what they feel is theirs, instead of letting loose onto their users what their users want. I see this in many aspects of today’s online lives. Rather sad.
The fact that there is a crude WAP browser on millions of phones is a moot point if you have to cater for the lowest (or most common) denominator. The fact that some newer phones can download Opera Mini is also a moot point if your website is not standards compliant for Opera’s proxy to take care of. (Google’s mobile search has a similar proxy for normal WAP browsers…).
And, regarding .mobi New TLD are a moneymaking scheme that opens up the way for people to extort money out of other companies. New companies that want to register their own domain must now not only register their .co.za domain, but also .com, .net, .org, .mobi, and in fact, any other domain that could possibly be used to squat on due to spelling mistakes, etc. It’s crazy stupid.
And besides, .mobi takes longer to type on a cellphone than .com
And, just to add some more 2c onto this, if your website is intelligent enough and standards compliant, you can create a CSS stylesheet that caters for mobile devices etc all on your normal domain, no need to create a new domain just for cellphones. Mobile (not just cellphones, think Sony PSP and Nintendo DS with Opera) browsers have UserAgents too, if you need to go down to that kind of detail and give different stylesheets for different devices…
March 21st, 2007 at 16:50:03
Are you coming to this one? http://wiki.geekdinner.org.za/wiki/Main_Page
March 21st, 2007 at 19:09:01
Thanks! I am now! I thought I did sign up to it before, but it turns out I only signed up to the 27dinner thing for April.
All these dinners are going to make a dent in my wallet.
April 17th, 2007 at 15:15:58
I was lucky with the last one because they got my order wrong, so I got two meals for the price of one. (And I usually drink only water with meals, so I score there too.) But I agree, it was still a lot of money for the amount of food, and the same can be said of the Real Geek Dinner which we had at Barbarella\’s. I saw you removed your name from the recent list. How expensive is that place then? Even worse than the previous ones? I know some students and broke musician bloggers who will be removing their names from the list if it\’s going to be another yuppie-jetsetter things for the Exclusive Few Ueberbloggers who can afford to regularly commute between Cape Town and Gauteng.
April 17th, 2007 at 15:22:10
Dave Duarte said he’s waiting for a menu from the current venue, but the company that I work had our end-of-year xmas do there last year, and I heard mutterings of along the lines of R150-odd per head for the (really excellent!) buffet we had there…
I’ll wait for Dave to update the site on the menu and a price and make a decision then, but for now I’ll have to leave my name off…
One would think, mind you, that due to the mass-booking that we’re wanting to make, that we’ll get a nice bulk discount?
*shrug*